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The only thing that bothers me about AI is the lack of disclosure by posters.

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I’ve honestly never heard the term AI art before, but it’s an oxymoron because art is defined as something created by human hands. Therefore a beautiful sunset is not a work of art, but a photograph of a sunset is. I think the jury’s still out on whether the paintings created by zoo animals can be considered art or not, but I’d consider those art way more than anything AI-generated.

If you have time, here’s an awesome video on AI slop and I agree with every word of it. John Oliver’s brilliant!

Yay :joy:

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Hmmmmm it depends on how it’s being used. So, context.

Example: I can’t draw people to save my life. And before anyone says “learn”, believe me, I have tried. My brain just can’t make connections in that way. Want me to draw a map or object from scratch? Not a problem. People? Best I’ll give you is a stick figure. Because of this, I use AI generations as a base to build upon and edit to create a final different product (which can take hours btw, speaking from experience). In that way, AI art doesn’t bother me because work is still being done and effort is still being put into it. It’s not a replacement. It’s a starting point.

And no, I can’t afford to hire an artist either so please don’t go there.

Now, if it’s being done to replace artists or steal from them, then it bothers me. It especially bothers me as a teacher because it is so obvious when a student is using AI generated stuff and they get all offended. It’s like calling out someone for doing a 2-minute obvious generation of a real artist’s work for them to get offended at you for “shaming” them. Because it is extremely obvious.

The way I explain it (to my students) is it’s like, imagine you’ve put a lot of work into an assignment. You’ve spent weeks and weeks working on this thing. You did all the work. You did all the research, putting the info together, the layout, the presentation. You are very proud of what you’ve done because it’s amazing. Then some random dude comes along with the exact same thing only with their name slapped on it and pretends like its their piece despite the fact it’s so obviously not. How would you feel? That’s what it’s like for artists when AI replaces them or steals from them.

9/10 times, they’ll understand

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Yes, and no.

No, because AI image (and other media) generators are great tools for those who want to draft or visualise their ideas / concepts, but lack the artistic talent or resources to do so.

Yes, because AI technology, in the creative media field, is almost good enough to rival us soft squishy mortals and price us out of any current or future markets.

Mid Journey v7 can generate near-photo realistic images…when it decides to follow at least half of your prompt…and Flux Pro Ultra is better still. The only significant disadvantage of AI images, that I can see, remains their small format. Once Mid Journey, or Stable Diffusion, or Flux et-al can produce consistent photo-realistic images in A3 or A2 format, with at least 300dpi, most creative photography / illustration-based professions are gone.

About a week ago, a AI music generator won a song competition in Japan, beating the human band AKB48. Now, AI software developers are looking into AI generated movies and games as the next major challenge to conquer.

Some examples of what I conjured from MJ v7 before I was exiled by the company’s over zealous moderators (hurray for retroactive prompt flagging).

Freyja's morning beach jog





Freyja relaxing in the villa library






A young Yasmine and her Aussie import (not canon)




Dov's Army days...when the CO wasn't watching...






...If I won the Lotto...






And there are dozens of AI image artists(?) on X who have posted images far better than what I’ve received from MJ and SDXL.

Update: forgot an interesting character concept art experiment (MJ v7).

What would Freyja look like with short hair?






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If you ever wanted to start making your own starting points then there’s a ton of tools you might want to explore! :slight_smile: If it’s just people, you could consider something like Daz. You don’t even need to render the models, just load them in, dress them up, screenshot, and there’s your reference (or even something to trace, I suppose). It’ll give you, ultimately, more control, and I think it’s just fun.

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This is so annoying. I’m so tired of seeing ugly AI everywhere when I’m trying to find stock, or do market research. AI users are often lying about it, too, so I have to wade through tons of that stuff before I can finally get something that’s worth buying. CreativeFabrica has become the worst for this - the entire homepage has become AI slop now, which isn’t a good look, and 99% of sellers are saying they’re not AI. I once found someone selling mockups and breathed a sigh of relief when their profile said they shoot the images with their own hands and camera… and then I saw the mockup with a hand melting into a cup.

Even when I’m just browsing as a buyer for a hobby, not work, it’s everywhere. I recently decided to move over to VTubing 100% of the time, and I needed a new model. Looked on Etsy, and every single seller was using AI. Most didn’t disclose it, but some of them did - unfortunately, none of them were honest about the extent they used it. If they used it for brainstorming, that’s fine in my books, but the second it becomes part of the finished product, it becomes something I would never consider.

The Uncle Ben’s brand has started using AI on their packaging now, on their street food line. The images don’t even come close to what was in the package, lol.

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Will give that a google. Thanks :+1:

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In another example of convenient timing, these videos turned up in my YouTube feed about a day after my previous answer (or just before).

You just reminded me, new types of AI software (or software combinations) can turn basic sketches into 3D rendered objects, and then into 3D printable objects. In about a year or two the AI software should be able to generate 3D characters, with similar quality to Daz 3D’s Genesis 8, from user sketches or prompts.

it’s a huge turn off, when people use ai. even in the context of online self publishing websites. i don’t know why but i am pretty disgusted by the amount it’s used and how many books i see with ai generated content as their covers. maybe because i graphic design myself but also like… it’s really generic, it’s consistently used, there’s no originality anymore in covers, everything looks the same. things that are normally incorporated to add to the theme of a book, is just forgotten about and covers just have two or more ai generated characters on them and that’s just it. I don’t ever read books with those covers on them because it’s like… like when i was a kid and using ‘episode’ and every cover was practically the same for every story. the characters looked the same because the app had a limited number of features you could add. like there’s no uniqueness or anything about it. plus, the main con about ai art is that it is most likely stolen from real artists, ai is trained on our own creativity and then replicated again and again and again and it’s not right.

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That and the thing is once an author uses AI in their cover, who says they won’t use AI in their writing? They’re both creative endeavors that are time-consuming in their own right.

I think it’s ironic for writers to defend AI art and vice versa /:

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I wish more people who use AI understood this. If someone uses AI in one area, I believe they’re using it in others, even if they say they don’t. I can’t think of a single use case for AI in creative work.

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I’ve started learning more about monkey conservation. If you see a video of a baby monkey wearing clothes or forced to stand upright, report it if you can. Not all platforms allow for reporting videos as containing animal abuse.

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I’m not so certain about that

This is one of a few significant issues I had with Mid Journey v7. Regardless of my prompting variety, many character images looked the same, had the same visual mistakes, were far from what I’d consider aesthetic, and had appalling posture. MJ v7 also refused to create anything other than '70s / '80s era film stock-styled images, with matching fashion and props.

My ideal AI image generator remains as follows: the technical accuracy of Nano Banana, the photo-realism of MJ v7, the modern / futuristic styling and image variety of Flux 1.1 Pro Ultra, the aesthetics of MJ v6.1, the content moderation / censorship of SDXL or SD 1.5, and the image formatting / resolution of a 64MP DSLR (e.g. a Leica S3)…Along with a PC able to run this franken-software…

I’m sorry, I don’t see a need to create AI video. If it’s because you don’t understand how to make a video, then it’s always a good day to learn a new skill. :slight_smile: If it’s because you can’t ‘afford’ to make a video, then that isn’t true - it costs nothing beyond a camera which most people have in one form or another, even actors are free if you search for more than a few minutes. Hell, even if you’re housebound (like me!), you can still create videos. There’s also 3D animating, which is doable even with a cheap low-end PC given that render farms exist (even free ones).

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F— AI “art”. Not only is it a threat to the creative industry, it is aesthetically bankrupt, it is an attack on human cognition, an existential risk to truth, it is an environment-destroying, power-hungry tool for profit. Somehow people absolve themselves by saying it’s only a hobby and they don’t make any money from it. It is entirely unethical. Do better.

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You don’t have to pay people if you replace them with unfeeling, unthinking machines.

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Yess line the pockets of billionaires :heart_eyes: :heart: :sparkles: it’s so fun!!

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