# A writing tip that gets worse the more you think about it... **URL:** \ **Category:** The Chatters\ **Tags:** discussion, fun\ **Created:** [November 24, 2025, 11:45am UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906 "2025-11-24T11:45:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![NotARussianBot](https://forum.wackywriters.com/user_avatar/forum.wackywriters.com/notarussianbot/32/63102_2.png) [@NotARussianBot](https://forum.wackywriters.com/u/NotARussianBot)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 11:45am UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906/1 "2025-11-24T11:45:33Z")
[![](https://64.media.tumblr.com/955304a586793caaec17e0b9ccd990eb/864cb780fc1cedef-62/s1280x1920/a01355827feab55e4159417a3628687cb77df7ad.pnj) ](https://64.media.tumblr.com/955304a586793caaec17e0b9ccd990eb/864cb780fc1cedef-62/s1280x1920/a01355827feab55e4159417a3628687cb77df7ad.pnj) According to Lily, Vegeta isn’t redeemable but Willaim “Fuck Them Kids” Afton is. [![](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Flookaside.fbsbx.com%2Flookaside%2Fcrawler%2Fmedia%2F%3Fmedia_id%3D940539438209030&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0f262588ce7b0659e91e400d83a3fcd8fe4f583b4439911667ff25f82c5b6dbe) ](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Flookaside.fbsbx.com%2Flookaside%2Fcrawler%2Fmedia%2F%3Fmedia_id%3D940539438209030&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0f262588ce7b0659e91e400d83a3fcd8fe4f583b4439911667ff25f82c5b6dbe) Most horror movie villains, especially slasher villains, have kill counts far less than 10,000 and they are about as irredeemable as it gets… Wait, are anteaters irredeemable as well because they eat tons of ants, which are innocent? According to the San Diego Zoo, Giant Anteaters eat 30,000 ants per day. ![image](https://storage.wackywriters.com/original/3X/3/d/3d1bb6cf1538c384c99acd8d29f5b3c3a136a2db.png) Truly, the face of true evil… [![](https://animals.sandiegozoo.org/sites/default/files/inline-images/baby_anteater.jpg) ](https://animals.sandiegozoo.org/sites/default/files/inline-images/baby_anteater.jpg) This thought has disturbed me ever since it popped into my head due to a revival of interest in FNAF. But what do you think? @Akje @TheTigerWriter @Churro @Qualeshia12 ---
**Author:** ![Qualeshia12](https://forum.wackywriters.com/user_avatar/forum.wackywriters.com/qualeshia12/32/63136_2.png) [@Qualeshia12](https://forum.wackywriters.com/u/Qualeshia12)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906/2 "2025-11-24T16:38:51Z")
> [@NotARussianBot](#): > > Willaim “Fuck Them Kids” Afton is. Who the hell is this? ---
**Author:** ![NotARussianBot](https://forum.wackywriters.com/user_avatar/forum.wackywriters.com/notarussianbot/32/63102_2.png) [@NotARussianBot](https://forum.wackywriters.com/u/NotARussianBot)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 4:54pm UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906/3 "2025-11-24T16:54:53Z")
It is a long-ish story but he is a serial killer, roboticist, alcoholic, abusive father, accidental lich, vengeful spirit, and yellow rabbit enthusiast. And even if you highball his kill count, it is still far below 10,000. ---
**Author:** ![CoffeebyNight](https://forum.wackywriters.com/user_avatar/forum.wackywriters.com/coffeebynight/32/62352_2.png) [@CoffeebyNight](https://forum.wackywriters.com/u/CoffeebyNight)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906/4 "2025-11-24T16:58:10Z")
I think the original post is exaggeration to make a point. I guess someone said a character was redeemable and she disagreed haha ---
**Author:** ![NotARussianBot](https://forum.wackywriters.com/user_avatar/forum.wackywriters.com/notarussianbot/32/63102_2.png) [@NotARussianBot](https://forum.wackywriters.com/u/NotARussianBot)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 5:01pm UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906/5 "2025-11-24T17:01:54Z")
You are probably 100% on the money, but I can’t help but think about all of the characters who are irredeemable but killed less than 10,000 innocent people or never killed at all but are still irredeemable. ---
**Author:** ![CoffeebyNight](https://forum.wackywriters.com/user_avatar/forum.wackywriters.com/coffeebynight/32/62352_2.png) [@CoffeebyNight](https://forum.wackywriters.com/u/CoffeebyNight)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 5:02pm UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906/6 "2025-11-24T17:02:57Z")
Definitely true! Ignore the 10,000 in her post, it’s just an arbitrary number (although I agree if someone’s seen off 10k people… yeah they’re probably not redeemable) 😂 ---
**Author:** ![copyedit](https://forum.wackywriters.com/user_avatar/forum.wackywriters.com/copyedit/32/62731_2.png) [@copyedit](https://forum.wackywriters.com/u/copyedit)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906/7 "2025-11-24T18:13:16Z")
the Lily Orchard (horrible) Writing Advice list? in anno domini 2025? That’s not even the worst one on there. ---
**Author:** ![NotARussianBot](https://forum.wackywriters.com/user_avatar/forum.wackywriters.com/notarussianbot/32/63102_2.png) [@NotARussianBot](https://forum.wackywriters.com/u/NotARussianBot)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 6:14pm UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906/8 "2025-11-24T18:14:05Z")
Anno domini I have more examples that disprove whatever point she was attempting to make. ---
**Author:** ![Xelyn\_Craft](https://forum.wackywriters.com/user_avatar/forum.wackywriters.com/xelyn_craft/32/61139_2.png) [@Xelyn\_Craft](https://forum.wackywriters.com/u/Xelyn_Craft)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 5:50am UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906/9 "2025-11-25T05:50:28Z")
People like this don’t get what redemption is. It’s not about how much bad you did, it’s about whether you feel remorse and are capable of change afterwards. I would redeem a character that did far worse than just kill that many people if they showed they were capable of growing and learning and becoming a better person and trying to do good with the rest of their life. Whereas, I wouldn’t redeem a character that killed a single person, or even just was a bully, if they never showed any inclination towards changing for the better and trying to be a good person despite what they had done before. You don’t measure redemption in kill counts. You measure it by how much they are willing and capable of changing for the better. ---
**Author:** ![NotARussianBot](https://forum.wackywriters.com/user_avatar/forum.wackywriters.com/notarussianbot/32/63102_2.png) [@NotARussianBot](https://forum.wackywriters.com/u/NotARussianBot)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 11:38am UTC](https://forum.wackywriters.com/t/a-writing-tip-that-gets-worse-the-more-you-think-about-it/15906/10 "2025-11-25T11:38:27Z")
Thank you! Exactly what I was thinking!