Do you think James Bond is misogynistic/sexist/direspectful?

Hey,

So, since what feels like forever, I’ve always hated the character of James bond. I don’t mind the movies as a whole though since they are usually produced on an expensive budget and have some enjoyable jokes/action/whatever.
But anytime I watch it, I always get distracted by thinking about just how much I hate James bond’s extremely misogynistic attitude. It’s actually gotten to the point where my family make-fun of me for just how much I hate him lol.
I admit, his character has improved from old films by a LOT but he still makes me mad. I’m crossing my fingers in the new film that’s coming out, he might be better but idk lol.

Anyway, what are your thoughts?

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The misogyny might be a product of its time for the earlier films. I’ve only seen the last campy one that had to do with oil pipelines that came out before The Matrix changes action movies forever.

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Yeah, the misogyny is definitely worse in the older films so that does play a massive part, but the one that was made in 2016 still wasn’t looking too hot to me.
I’ve never watched the matrix, but I’ve heard good things. My philosophy teacher always tried to tell us to watch it.

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The Matrix is good for action and plot, but not very good on character. I feel that the characters from Madness Combat had more presence and personality than anyone from The Matrix.

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@DomiSotto might have a strong opinion on it, compared to similar elements in SciFi.

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I never liked the movies or the books, but James Bond is not supposed to have any regular emotions because his job is not something that allows for being a relatable human being. He is apotheosis of a male power dream.

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That scares me that he’s some men’s dream lol.

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Well, it’s just as repetitive as triangle describing a female dream where she is kick-ass but needs saving and be taught to love (because, you know, she doesn’t believe in it) via a clash between a Bad Boy and a Real Nice Guy, where she’d suck Nice Guy Dry but Bad Boy changes and she ends up with his domesticated version.

In a way, I respect male power dream more, because it’s about beating up everyone himself not via proxy and it’s not as coy. Though I hate that part that says that for a man to achieve max greatness, a woman must die.

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Me too. But that’s how we get bond girls.

Yeah. I get the urge to ask “when women act like men, why do we eff or up 2x as bad?” because of things like this.

I mean, yeah overkill on my part, but that crud can make me cranky.

Or get raped .

The problem is that the older a man gets, the less he feels justified for starting a big shitstorm of a fight for anything less than someone who is HIS to protect.

That and they want beatdown to feel noble.

That’s really ingrained in the psyche.

Women, on the other hand, will punch their husbands for a cheating dream. Lmao

Nah, I just don’t trust the male power dream at all. The female dream usually presents men in a better light but the man dream often presents woman in a more dumbed down way.

Never paid much attention to the series since spy thriller not really my cup of tea. Only know the iconic gun pose, he got gadgets, sexy women, and most importantly the Golden 007 N64 is a beloved videogame that i would like to try someday

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Yeah, it’s not a bad series or anything, it’s well produced. it’s just got some worrying elements to it. I’ve also heard people bigging up that videogame as well for some reason lol.

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A male character of a different era. Being a spy, I found his arrogance and little regard for woman a side effect of his character. Sort of like an anti-hero where he really didn’t give a damn about anything other than fulfilling his mission. He was no different from a genius who excels in one thing but completely lacks in all others. In Bond’s case, he was the perfect spy who lacked empathy. And even regarded humans as another asset for his mission.

Yeah. I never found Bond as a male role model to aspire towards.

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I think Bond is typical for the character’s background, time period and profession…An orphan(?) in the Cold War era who joined the Navy Commandos* and then served in Military Intelligence (MI-6)…The nature of Bond’s profession (high stress, constant snap decisions, high attrition**) didn’t leave much room for niceties or emotions. Oh, people like Bond, and his line of work, did and do exist. Fleming based his character on several Navy Commandos and Intelligence Officers he met during the Second War.

*In the Daniel Craig Casino Royal film the character Money Penny refers to Bond as ex-SAS. A scripting error. Bond served in the SBS (the Navy’s equivalent of the SAS), hence his Navy rank of Commander.
**Also in the Casino Royal film Bond comments on his job’s short life expectancy.

Oh, and the modern day Bond might be closer to the Bourne characters. Other contenders could be characters from the Strike Back or Spooks TV series…Books by Andy McNabb and Chris Ryan (both ex-SAS) could be worth searching through too…

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The James Bond character is undoubtedly sexist. I don’t know about misogynistic, or at least the hatred part of it, but he’s certainly sexist. Sure, the modern films are less severe in that BS than the old ones–which doesn’t matter. The comparison is meaningless because at the root the problem is still there. If we’re just talking about “Is he sexist?”, there’s no argument (Side note: Daniel Craig himself can’t actually stand the character James Bond and finds him sexist and I found that funny. :joy: ). If we’re talking about whether that should be acceptable for his character, or if he should still be looked up to as some power dream, that’s a different can of worms. :man_shrugging:

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It’s kind of hard to pinpoint how I feel about his character. I grew up on James Bond, so to speak, as I have seen some of the Pierce Bronson versions along with the new ones (Skyfall, etc.) and I also played a couple of the video games (007: the World is Not Enough video game was one of my favorites haha) but I wasn’t too into the world of James Bond or him as a character because he’s a Gary Sue and a player. I get that, as an agent, he isn’t supposed to carry too many emotions because he has a job to do, but it doesn’t really help to connect with him.

On top of that, Ian Fleming, the writer, probably based James Bond off himself and his ideal agent. He worked with the British Intelligence, so… you could probably connect the dots on that. Plus, he wrote the books during an era of sexism and misogynistic times, so I’m sure that bled through the pages.

I think that the movies are good to watch if you want some good action sequences and spy stories, but the character as a whole shouldn’t be seen as someone to “fall in love with” whether wanting to be like him or to want him as a fictional lover…

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Aww yay, I’m happy he thinks that. I feel bad for him though that he has to put up with playing him for that cheque.

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Personally, I find it frustrating in the land of diversity, that we get so tied up in characters like 007 and his women: both for AND AGAINST his type.

That’s why I get in trouble. There are men out there like him, and women out there that marry them, often like those females, and often both are content with their life. Just because others can’t live it doesn’t mean all are miserable.

Honestly, I find many who focus on misery in others are like that because they themselves are miserable and are trying to convince themselves that others have it worse: especially in fields they refuse to live in that have some showy perks. (Grass is Greener and Sour Grapes.)

Honestly, a more realistic read of all this mess is an edge of that type of male, specifically in triggering circumstances. Same thing for that edge of a female.

For example, I’m a housewife because of the man I chose. If he had been different, I’d be divorced.

But if you think he wouldn’t go apeshit on anyone who harmed his wife or kids? Psh…These characters exist because even the gentle have it in them.

Even a good chunk of us women have it in us. Sarah Conner and Ripley didn’t come from nowhere.