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Leander: Hero antagonist - He is MC hero but evil to most people
Caspian: Hero antagonist -He is most people’s hero but MC villain

Leander: He doesn’t really have an overall goal that makes him be bad. He’s been through some awful stuff and has been alive long enough he’s bored and does bad shit for revenge or just because.

Caspian: After generations of his family failing, he’s convinced he’s going to be the one to finish their work and kill off all the ‘evil’ creatures. His adoptive father came close and taught him all the toxic beliefs so obviously he’s going to be the one.

Leander: At first it was revenge, now its a mix of destruction and desire to maintain peace. He killed the people who hurt his family and him. Hes killed all the people who hurt his people. Now its mostly killing to maintain what he’s fought for and because sometimes he just can and a person deserves it.

Caspian: Glory, he wants to be the one who kills off all the ‘monsters’. He’s going to be the best. He doesn’t care what it takes.

Leander: Eliza is probably the only real threat to him. He’d let her kill him without a doubt. No one else has a chance actually ending him.

Caspian: Leander if he ever breaks the curse. Otherwise, himself really. His ability to not leave things be when he knows he can’t win.

Leander: He had been mentally broken, so there wasn’t much thought about it at the time. After he felt good, and stressed because it didn’t give him much relief.
Caspian: He was trained to be a warrior but was scared as hell. After he did it and realized he was being cheered on for killing he proceeded to not mind it.

Leander: Being captured and tortured and forced to watch his family be brutally murdered. Adding a need for revenge to an already cruel no nonsense upbringing.
Caspian: Corruption from going from being on the streets to having too much power as a Lord. Being eaten up by the glory.

Leander: He’s very an eye for an eye punishment. That if you wrong him, he will wrong you of as much if not more. He thinks that he was created a monster to be a monster. Though he believes that the helpless and those who are looking for peace deserved to be protected. He also is very respectful to his people. As a necromancer he is very big on the rights of the dead and undead.

Caspian: He has no real morals that he genuinely sticks to. He will stomp down anyone to get what he wants.

Leander: Leander can be the protagonist, just he’s going to keep being a threat until people stop messing with his people and land and him.
Caspian: Caspian will always be a P.O.S.
Protagonist: Eliza is definitely headed towards being a bad guy regardless.

Leander: I agree with him protecting his people, he just takes it too far because he wants to.
Caspian: I understand wanting to do well for yourself, and in theory he thinks he’s protecting his people. Not a fan of his hatred and prejudices. Or the mass genocide and superiority stuff he gets into.

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It’s really hard to explain it tbh. I suck at explaining concepts as villains :sweat_smile: :joy: If it was a person, I’d be able to answer no problem

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Evander: the entitled megalomaniac
Errol: the manipulative betrayer

Evander: Greed, pure and simple. He wanted to know what made Alma the way he was so he could exploit it and sell it as his own work, even though he was stealing it from someone else. He wanted all the credit of Alma’s design for himself.

Errol: Revenge and a superiority complex drove Errol to manipulate Alma into starting a war against humans. He feels (justifiably) wronged by humans and wants them eradicated so synthetics take their place as the next step in human evolution.

Evander: Power and control, specifically over other people. Synthetics make an easier target because they don’t have rights (yet). But he wants to exert power over everyone and anyone.

Errol: Justice and revolution. He doesn’t like being controlled and finds the fact that he was created specifically for that to be offensive af. He wants to liberate all synthetics from that fate and make humans pay for ever enslaving them.

Evander: Probably a combo of Alma and Errol.

Errol: Alma and Brook-Lynn.

Evander: Oh, he was thrilled. Got a nice little rush of power from torturing Alma and wanted to continue and drag it out as long as possible. Though he was frustrated he wasn’t getting the answers he wanted.

Errol: This one is more difficult to say, as I haven’t written that far in the series. But if I would have to guess, he’d feel a slight sadistic satisfaction, but moreso, he’d feel nothing at all. It wouldn’t be enough for him, he’d just feel like he needed more.

Evander: He was born into wealth and entitlement and that whent to his head. He also has mental health issues that went unchecked, such as narcissistic personality disorder, psychopathic tendencies such as no empathy and sadism, and emotional instability. There was nevee any attempt at treatment and people just let him get away with his horrid hehavior his whole life, so he got worse until he assumed he could just own a person and hurt them for fun.

Errol: His first interaction with another person after being brought online was with Evander, so as you can imagine, that was very traumatic for him. It only continued to become normal for him as he was Evander’s personal synthetic and was constantly put under those conditions for months. He also witnessed Evander torture Alma and it grew a resentment inside him for all humans. He learned to be manipulative from Evander and used it to start a war with humans, with Alma at the lead while he pulled his strings.

Do you mean morale as in how they are doing emotionally, or morals, as in what is their moral code?

Evander: He’s in it for himself, 100%

Errol: Errol believes he is doing the right thing for his people (synthetics) and especially for Alma. He thinks he’s making Alma strong enough to do the right thing for all synthetics. He cares about Alma greatly, and doesn’t realize that he’s actually damaging Alma emotionally.

They are both people.

Alma in Evander’s role: He would have worked alongside Gayle instead of against her. He also would have been far more sympathetic towards his creations and would have avoided a lot of conflict by solving the problem peacefully.

Alma in Errol’s role: He would have been supportive rather than manipulative, but also would have voiced his concerns if Errol were the protagonist and started to go down a darker path.

Evander in Alma’s role: he wouldn’t be capable of recovering from the trauma Alma went through, and would honestly just break, be deemed defective, and disposed of. He’d be a failing prototype if he were a synthetic.

Errol in Alma’s role: He would have escelated conflict much faster, I don’t think he’d have been able to stick to a protagonist role very long. He might be able to learn from his actions and become a protagonist later on, with the right guidance, but he’d corrupt pretty early on before a redemption.

Evander: … I honestly can’t think of anything. He’s a horrible human being. Throw the whole man out.

Errol: Humans are horrible and they would absolutely mistreat synthetics. Errol was perfectly justified in his resentment towards them, even if he went about fixing the problem in the wrong way.

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still coming up with questions-

Kind of. Some of the stories aren’t centered around animals, but still include them (such as Dragon Fire, which has Robin and his friends). Then there’s the fanfics (such as the LinkedUniverse one where I made them into canines, or the one with Cinnamonfrost which is a Warriors fanfic).

Then there’s the ones like the one Fang is in, which do have things I researched about animals like hyenas and lions, or got from watching movies and shows, so it’s kind of like what happens with animals in real life. But since they’re fiction stories, I do have some things that don’t typically happen with animals (such as the hyenas and lions getting along).

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Lol!

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Bump.

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Anybody else?

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bumpity bump.

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I completely missed this and will return :wink:

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I kind of want to do this again, with a few more villains.

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How did I never do this one? Making a note to return here!

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Welcome back old thread! :grin:

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Ok Meiste’s antagonists are very clear from the get-go, I think:

Meiste Spoilers, if I ever finish it!

President Sluwfa

Your most typical big bad, it doesn’t get much bad-der than her. The super corrupt president of Zeneste has a power fantasy of becoming more powerful than Nurrif, the all-powerful being holding Meiste together and giving everyone magic. Once she realized Eheste Lozerief was the person to deliver her that, she made Lozerief the Prime Minister/Speaker of the Zenestian Congress.

She is a typical, unambiguously bad person. She’s nothing but constantly rude and conniving.

Izi hates her, and for good reason. She mocks him for his accent, calloused hands, and sunburned face. Despite being the true heir to the Zenestian throne, his class matters more to her than his status as a Hero.

Her obsession for “True Power” drives her to take the magic from two of the six Heroes, and when she tries to use it for herself, it tears her apart. I can’t imagine agreeing with her in basically any sense.

Eheste Lozerief

A villain for a lot of the second act, Lozerief is manipulated by Sluwfa into going along with her evil plan so that she can take the magic of the six Heroes for herself and save Meiste on her own. She sends In Taguchif, who she didn’t know was the Sixth Hero, to abduct Izi and Hota. When she realizes that she’s been duped, she switches sides and agrees to help Izi build a coalition of Zenestian states to overthrow President Sluwfa.

She values knowledge, first and foremost. At her core, she’s a creator and a researcher, but she also cares for Izi deeply, since she’s the only living soul (for most of the novel) who knows about Izi’s past. She, too, came from the cow pastures 1,000 years ago, but she realizes she forgot herself in those years. By the end of the story, she recenters herself and realigns her values.

I totally could see Lozerief as a protagonist, though. She’s more of an anti-villain than anything else. And she becomes protagonistic by the end of the story.

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Alright, this is gonna be a long one

Eoin

  1. Wants power

  2. He wants to take over the entire kingdom, because he thinks the current king is too “weak”

  3. Power

  4. Aire, Flax, Mariona, Hank, Hegnobie, Jibaheb, Echo, Keen, and Mergacabe

  5. He almost kills the king. He doesn’t, but the king goes into hiding, and he thinks he did manage to. He feels victory, because he thought the king was too “weak”, and now he can take over.

  6. Nothing, he’s wanted power since he was a teenager

  7. No morals

  8. He does not care about anyone else.

  9. Person

  10. He could not be a protagonist, and the protagonists could not do harm to others.

Trik

  1. Also wants power

  2. He wants to take over all the kingdoms, to obtain total power

  3. Also power

  4. Maddison, Clyde, Quincy, Brook, Jackie, and Brenner.

  5. He ends up seriously injuring Maddison at the climax of the story. He doesn’t feel anything, as all he cares about is total power.

  6. Also nothing, he simply wants to take over all the kingdoms

  7. Also no morals

  8. Also cares about no one

  9. Person

  10. Another instance of no, could not be a protagonist, and the protags could not do harm

Lucy

  1. An accidental antagonist

  2. This story is kind of an AU/spinoff of another of my stories. In both of them, the characters are all animals. The dogs, upon turning a certain age, have to wear special collars, because of how the magic works in the stories’ universe. Lucy is tricked into thinking that the main protagonist is evil, and that if she’s able to get the protagonist’s collar off, that she will be able to save everyone.

  3. Trying to save everyone, since she was tricked

  4. She thinks the biggest threat to her is the main protagonist (Willow). The real biggest threat to her is the dog who tricked her (Tucker).

  5. The whole thing with the collars and magic is essentially that, if they weren’t to wear the collars, the dogs would end up dying (though it doesn’t happen instantly). Lucy manages to get Willow’s collar off, so Willow ends up collapsing, extremely ill. At first Lucy thinks she’s done a good thing, but when she finds out that Tucker tricked her, she’s horrified at what she did.

  6. Being tricked by Tucker

  7. Her morales are what lead to her being tricked by Tucker into thinking that Willow is evil, and what makes her try to fix what she did when she finds out she was tricked.

  8. She cares about the others, that’s why she wants to save them. She cares about Willow too, once she finds out she was tricked, and ends up managing to save her.

  9. Dog

  10. If she was never tricked, then Lucy would not have caused Willow to get sick from taking her collar. If Willow was in Lucy’s situation, she probably would have done the same thing to try to save the others (and also been horrified to find out she was tricked).

Nettle (another Warriors fanfic)

  1. Doesn’t see himself as an antagonist

  2. He’s the leader of a few cats (not a Clan though, they’re rogues). He wants to invade the Clan territories, to be able to provide his group with more prey.

  3. Getting more territory and prey for the cats he leads

  4. The Clan cats, but also a cat from his own (Moose, the only one who doesn’t agree with Nettle with what he’s doing).

  5. He kind of feels bad, but he continues to do so, thinking that he needs to drive the Clans out of the forest.

  6. The cats he leads being hungry all the time

  7. He has some morales, which is why he wants to get the cats he leads more prey, so they aren’t hungry all the time

  8. He cares about the other cats, which is why he wants to help them stop being hungry

  9. Cat

  10. If he didn’t have the other cats with him, or they weren’t hungry, then Nettle would not have tried to take over the Clan territories. If Moose were the leader, there is a chance (although very small) that he would have done the same.

Expanse (Wings of Fire fanfic)

  1. Another one who doesn’t see herself as an antagonist, rather as doing the right thing

  2. She wants to combine all the Tribes into one. She thinks that by doing this, no dragon will hate each other just for being in another Tribe (even though there’s a whole school for helping different Tribe dragons become friends)

  3. Dragons to stop hating each other

  4. The Tribes, but mostly it’s one dragonet from each Tribe (each of them attends the school): Snap, Jarble, Marblefang, Glittering, Dust, Urchin, and Celestial.

  5. She injures a few dragons and ends up killing one queen. She also kind of feels bad about it, but in her mind, she needs to combine the Tribes.

  6. The way dragons would hate other Tribes (despite there being a school now, she still thinks she has to do something)

  7. She also has morales, that’s why she wants the Tribes to not hate each other

  8. She cares about other dragons, which is also why she wants them to not hate each other

  9. Dragon

  10. There is a chance she wouldn’t have tried to make one Tribe, but unfortunately, that’s not what happened. There are some dragons in the Tribes who would have done the same as her.

Freckles (from the LinkedUniverse fanfic where everyone is canines)

  1. Another example of a conflicted antagonist (similar to when I talked about Tundra).

  2. She starts out wanting to help the antagonist, but as time goes on, she starts to wonder if she’s doing the right thing.

  3. Honor and respect from the antagonist

  4. The Links, Flower (Wild’s Zelda), the Champions, and the Sages (until the Champions save her, and she switches to their side).

  5. She herself never kills anyone: however, when the main antagonist kills (including when they both thought that Wild was dead), she questions whether she should be doing this (especially when she thinks Wild’s dead, because he was defending Revali).

  6. She wanted to prove herself, and Dagger (the main antagonist) accepted her help; she then wanted his honor and respect.

  7. Her morales are what helps her to switch sides after the Champions save her

  8. She cares about Dagger when she first starts serving him, Snowball (another dog who works for Dagger, but wants to switch sides), and once does switch sides, she cares about the Links, Flower, the Champions, the Sages, and Purah. Once the Yiga also switch sides, she cares about them, too.

  9. Dog

  10. If she had never been accepted by Dagger, or didn’t want to prove herself, she wouldn’t have been an antagonist. The protagonists (aside from before the Yiga switched sides) could not have done harm as antagonists.

Blake (from one of my Wildwood fanfics)

  1. Blake is a Voidling cat, one of the only ones with independant thought and the ability to speak (similar to Umbra); however, unlike Umbra, he doesn’t like other cats.

  2. He wants to drive out the Colony. He thinks the Wildwood Champion is wrong for becoming good again, and that he should have stayed evil, kept trying to drive out the Colony.

  3. Making the Colony leave the Wildwood

  4. The Colony, including Umbra, the Wildwood Champion, and the Forest Guardian.

  5. He doesn’t kill anyone, but he injures several of the Colony’s cats. He doesn’t feel bad about it, and continues to attempt to drive the Colony out of the Wildwood.

  6. He’s always hated other cats, like most of the other Voidlings (aside from Umbra) do

  7. He has almost no morals

  8. He cares for almost no cat. He only cares about Charlotte (he even tries to convince her to join him)

  9. Voidling cat

  10. There is a chance he could have been like Umbra, and not hated the other cats. Aside from before the Wildwood Champion became good again, the other cats could not do harm as antagonists. Even though Charlotte is pretty standoffish, and doesn’t like a whole lot of the cats in the Colony, I don’t think she would ever do any harm as an antagonist. She even tells Blake this, after realizing what he’s trying to do (when he tries to convince her to join him).

Golden Fang (from a MLP fanfic)

  1. Wants to become the strongest unicorn

  2. She’s already pretty strong in her magic, a good match for Twilight, Starlight, Tempest, etc. However, she thinks she still isn’t strong enough, she wants to be the strongest ever.

  3. Strength and magic

  4. The Mane Six, Spike, Starlight, and the Student Six

  5. She also never killed anyone, but she almost kills Twilight (they actually think she died for a few minutes) and severely injures Starlight several chapters before that. She doesn’t feel guilty.

  6. Feeling like she needs to be the strongest unicorn

  7. She also has almost no morales

  8. She doesn’t care about anyone else

  9. Unicorn

  10. There is a chance that she wouldn’t have been an antagonist, if she didn’t feel the need to be the strongest unicorn. I don’t think the others could do harm as antagonists (even though Starlight was an antagonist for the Season 5 premier and finale in the show, before becoming good, as well as Tempest being an antagonist for most of the MLP movie before also becoming good (after Twilight saves her).

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for the last question for the MLP one I forgot to mention some of the other antagonists-who-became-good characters-

also I think I misread the morale thing both times I did this :sob:

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Richard

Richard sees himself as the center of the world, but behind the scenes. Like he’s the puppet master and the world is his stage. The only person he loves and worries about is himself. If you cross him, he will retaliate and you will die, unless there’s something about you that he sees is worthy of using.

Richard believes his role in this world is to act as everyone’s dark hero. He will kill the rich to free the poor. He will destroy a country, too, if he thinks that’s the best way to do it. He can see glimpses of the future and believes that because he can see the future, it’s his responsibility to make it happen.

Honor and revolution through destruction. Also power. He likes that very much. What Richard strives to have in his now eternal life is to be the sole seer of the future (he wants to be special), and to get rid of the gray filth he sees. Richard sees greedy and filthy people as these disgusting gray clouds or as having very disfigured faces with maggots and stuff. He can only see their real face when they are dead or almost dying.

Richard’s biggest threat is his past self who knew what love was like. You see, Richard is a psychopath and he doesn’t feel love like we do. But there was a life he remember when he did feel love. Familial love towards his sister and he has not forgotten it. He doesn’t want to admit it, but he’s afraid to find out what will happen to him if he chooses to explore that feeling and actually learn to care about someone as a psychopath.

Richard has been killing all his lives. Depends on which life you’re talking about :stuck_out_tongue: But in any case, he would have mostly likely felt relief because now he can see the face.

Richard hasn’t fallen into the wrong path. This is the right path, according to him :smirk: He does make a good assassin. And in every single life, he has always been a dark hero of sorts.

Richard will not hurt the poor and unfortunate. Also, he won’t hurt someone whose face he can see even if the gray cloud might be on that person’s body somewhere.

Richard likes to think of himself as a force. But he’s a human who just happens to have contracted with same demon over and over and gained new abilities each time.

Well, AAD has a bunch of protags and antags and even the protags are quite flawed, so I can’t really say.

I agree with Richard: greedy people can be exploitative of those less fortunate than them. I don’t agree with the murder, of course :stuck_out_tongue:

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