Where Winter Never Ends Development Thread

I have decided to try something new in order to finish a book idea I’m working on.

In short, it is my take on A Court of Thorns and Roses.

Chapters finished: 1

Word count: 1084


My main focus is to make the characters more dynamic, the enemies to lovers plot flow better, the villain more threatening and smart, and the fairy world more. magical and interesting.

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Ok, I’m game.


The next chapter is where the main character is introducer to the fae.


Just a heads up, a smarter villain:

  1. Knows the first plans you lay out to get at them and is a step ahead of you. Two ways it plays out is emphasizing the helplessness of the heroes. The second one is where the arrogance of the villain allows the plan to work until they face them the first time.

That’s just basic plot.

  1. A smart villain also wants to not dominate everything because that draws all heroes to them. So, deliberately only aim to control half of everything as the power, and the other half as opposition, like being the power behind two empires.

  2. It’s also pretty traditional that the one who recruits the heros is the smart villain.

  3. A smart villain also predicts conversations.

  4. Unless you have a friggen awesome first villainy, that mediocre plot device should be a decoy from something better. Maybe the second one, as well. Hell, as time goes on, it may be best to juggle 4 plans with sub-bosses at the same time to stretch heroes to their breaking point, knowing that they will be conflicting with each other–and NONE of them be the goal.

  5. And then for full crazy, the ending could be something insane like “I’m just waiting for the perfect way to die.” Like the whole thing wasn’t all this b.s., but to be THE villain, and be remembered, so that the job of the hero is to erase all memory of this person, if they TRULY want to win.


What if the villain is a bored sadist?

For that last one to work, it would have to be like a reincarnation quirk, where the only way he is reborn is if he is remembered. If it’s not his first time, he’d be bored and inclined to be sadistic.

So, they would have to stumble on the fact that he’s a reincarnated asshole.

But there’s other things that could be done, like the risk of dying is the only thing worth living for, but he doesn’t want to waste his time killing low-level heroes, so he spends his time creating conflicts to forget something worth his death. It’s an arrogance.

Aad you can show that by having a well-known hero that these protagonists are emulating die in the first 3rd, and him just say, casually, “Well, you’re not the one.”

And others ahead of them could die right and left. Game of Thrones that shit.

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But the whole point of this is to leave a trail that he is like this while making it look like his goal is something else, like world domination.

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I don’t think it would fit for Liliwyn. She cursed the Lord of the Winter Court to not be able to be in his faery form for shits and giggles. The only way she’ll undo the curse is if you beat her at 3 games of chance.

It’s a mental exercise, really. I tend to template before getting into a character.

In the case of a character that is established before the story, you have to have a hidden goal and a surface goal, minimum, to make a villain feel smarter than they are. It allows you to use dumb plots for the surface goal without needing to worry about “is this smart enough”. The true intelligence needs to be kept for the private goal.

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Honestly, this is just how Liliwyn spends her time, she finds her job as Night Minister(Overseer of all Unseelie) very stressful and lonely, so she finds that cruel pranks are a great amusement.

Can you judge this character for me?

It doesn’t make for a compelling final boss.

But: it would be funny to have the final confrontation be with accusations of all this great evil, while they’re trying to attack her, and the response is, “You think I give shit one about this?”

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Not exactly the kind of story I need for this to be. Her strength is saved for any armed uprising or assassination attempt.

I must agree.

If it’s not the goal, it’s not the goal.

But it might be nice if you could show the woman is tired of the conventional laws that govern the fae, but unwilling to break from that, if she’s going to use a riddle battle.

Hrm…telling the MC something like: “you were chosen for this game, so your death is predestined”: basically saying she can’t just up and kill her without giving the person the freedom to think they are safe.

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Me personally, if I was going to do a riddle, I’d ask someone to give me the proof of the value of 1 being 1. That’s about a sheet or so of math to prove the value of the number. Riddle, hell no.

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Muriel can barley do arithmetic. Just ask her to use the pythagoerean theorym to find x and she’ll lose.

All she has to do is point to the x on the paper and the minimum is satisfied for “find”. “Solve for” absolutely required finding the value. Using PT is the issue that swings, find, though.

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Anyway. What are you particularly working on for it, right now?

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Muriel and Ellaric’s enemies to lovers romance. Muriel shot out Ellaric’s eye on a hunting trip, and Ellaric had to take her as his prisoner. Also Ellaric has to be in ice praying mantis form all the time at home because of the curse-he needs help to even drink from a glass.

Sounds like Muriel should wind up helping him because she’s impatient with him trying to do things himself. Given how everything is a trial, some of it would be deliberately done by Ellaric to see if she has more merit to her than merely being violent. That would also give her a point to get pissed at, when she figures out that he’s testing her (after a time). Of course, he can be annoyed that she doesn’t understand that whole of who he is, is a test.

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