Big problem with this dynamic…

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Then again, this is a very simple dynamic that becomes increasingly darker the more that you add layers on top of it. Which is a real shame because I think that these perspective flipped stories work best with grey morallity, not just making the villain sympathetic and the hero an asshole.

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@MatthewJH I remember you mentioning a rare sort of story, a negetive flat arc, in which the main character’s misanthropy is proven right in the end. I find that more compelling than a spite driven hero vs the villain who is actually the good guy.

Also I am wiling to provide in-depth explanations for the examples

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Well, they have been studying this for a while for 2 reasons:

  1. Culture is saying that yesterday’s heros are evil. So, the tropes just follow that.

  2. Snape has permeated the culture.

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You say that, but then why have none of the people I watch Akagi with like Akagi Shigeru. Is he too ugly?

Same with Ryouma. Is he also too ugly?

I think Snape in the movies is average looking at best…but I may have been reading too much of Nobuyuki Fukumoto’s manga :sweat_smile:

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So basically, Churro?

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Oooh, I love the idea of a villain with a noble motive! I’ve never seen it before in any format: book, movie, anime, manga, video game, etc., but then, I’ve never seen a hero driven by spite either. Would definitely make an interesting dynamic. Do you have an idea for a story using either of these characters?

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In a sense yes, but you at least have Oscar.

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Oscar the sofa hogger :smiley:

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Nobility is…relative. It is possible for a motive to be noble and selfish, or for the greater good but ultimately destructive. It requires a different lens.

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I like people being driven by spite

:flushed:

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Is the will to stand your ground spite?

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It IS a believable motive! (*＾-‘) 乃

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Any spite.

Even Spite over the last can of Sprite.

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I am not a very vindictive person but I understand the need to return insult for insult and injury for injury.

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Yes!

I might just write something really spiteful.

Pissy is just a can of spite isn’t he?

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Some possible heroic / noble villain movies or series:
Patlabor 2
Ghost in the Shell: 2nd GIG
Hero (Jet Li film)
War (Jet Li film, his character)
Deadwood (Al Swearengen)
Gunslinger Girl (Franca)

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Americans are insular. It shows up in badly written romances 24/7.

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