Project Red needs an semi-strict outline honestly???

So, I am at the point where I am realizing that I can’t go into Project Red too aimlessly. I NEED a clear direction for the story from beginning to the middle to end end. The problem is that I’m not great at doing outlines anyway, but for the sake of Project Red, I have to.

I know what the story is about. I have ideas. I just need to jot down the ideas and make it all clear.

I’m planning on making Project Red a novel series and I need to flesh out the plot, characters, and the world heavily enough that I can.

Though I do think about that just doing a wild zero draft where I just write and get my thoughts onto paper or doc is crucial. Yet I still want to create some outlines for the first draft and just take it from there.

I have options. But the thing I need to realize is that I need to outline for Project Red.

What are your thoughts and feelings? How do you create an outline?
Do you have any advice and tips for me?

1 Like

@Akje
@alcoholandcaffeine
@JojoDahlia
@copyedit
@NatilladeCoco
@Xelyn_Craft
@TheTigerWriter
@thatstheway
@Haddes97

hmm okay
here are some questions for you

  1. do you want the story to be slotted into a pre existing structure? OR Do you want the structure to be unique to do your story?

  2. do you want the beginning to be a setup ie establishes the parameters for the readers either in terms of story, character, or both- that any twists will fit inside? OR do you want the beginning to simply just be the beginning?

2 Likes

I guess a structure that is unique to my story.

What do you mean when you say this? The beginning of book 1 or something else?

what I mean is- when your reader reads the beginning beginning (yes of book 1) do you want them to know what type of story/ plot they are reading and do you want to stick with what you set up for the rest of the books?

1 Like

I want book 1 to reveal the characters and their motivations and the world that they are living in.

So, yes.

thats not what i mean. (but good to know)
I mean like do you want the genre to be established in the beginning that you stick to.
for example the start of Hunger Games is established as a dystopian fiction. all the twists and turns that happen within Hunger Games fit within the genre or convention of dystopian fiction.

ill try explaining from a reader’s pov since that might be easier.
sometimes when you read a book - at the start you know what type of story you are going to get even if you don’t know how- and the author sticks to that. in others you think you know what story you are going to get but then the author deviates from that.

2 Likes

My mistake, sorry.

Yes, I want my story to stick to the genre.

no worries. what genre do you want your story to be?

1 Like

Science-fantasy.

do you already know your character’s motivations?
if not would you like them to be straightforward ie something the reader instantly gets. like in hunger games Katniss’s motivation is straightforward it is to protect Prim. OR do you want it to be complex something that requires the reader to interpert the subtext to get?

1 Like

Yes.

are they ones the reader would instantly get or do they require the reader to interpert the subtext to get?

1 Like

The readers would instantly get the motivations.

Personally, I think every book needs an outline, but I’m hardly one to talk. My outlines start as timelines that list everything that needs to happen to advance the plot. Then I turn that into a bullet list for the outline. The idea is that I’ll take that to the next level and flesh out the details, but I never do get to that point before I get tired of working on it and just start pantsing with what I already know so far. (♯^.^♯)

I do think my stories would be tighter and better if I could bring myself to flesh out the outline more but I’m too lazy. I just correct all the plot inconsistencies when I revise the first draft–a process that would be a lot faster with an outline. (ノ_<、)ヾ(´▽`)

1 Like

do you have an idea of the plot even if its a rough one?
an idea of the types of conflicts ? if any?
any idea of the obstacles? if any?

1 Like

Yes to everything you said.

any ideas for the stakes? if any?

1 Like

Yes.

Do you want to know what the story is about to get an idea?

okay sweet so you have some options in terms of how to approach an outline

Option 1

in a doc or notebook follow along the instructions:

Motivation and Conflicts:

    1. write each character’s motivation
    1. write the stakes for each motivation
    1. write the internal obstacles and the external obstacles
    1. write down each of the conflicts

world
answer the following

  • what does the reader need to know about the world of the story and of the characters to get the motivations, stakes, obstacles, and conflicts.
  • what does the reader need to know about the world of the story and of the characters for the motivations, stakes, obstacles, and conflicts to exist.

character
answer following

  • what does reader need to know about the characters to get their motivations, why they might be/ have an obstacle, why the stakes are what they are, and why the conflicts are what they are

events
answer the following
when does the reader need to know each of these pieces of information (listed in the world section and character)
just say at the start, in the middle, or at/ near the end. DO NOT OVER THINK THE ORDER IF YOU ARE UNSURE YOU CAN PUT IT AT MULTIPLE SPOTS.

this will give you a rough outline.

Option 2

  1. write a 1-3 sentence summary of the story.
  2. use those 1-3 sentences to write a 1-3 page summary of the story
  3. read over those 1-3 pages and note down every change you read or that is implied (regardless of scale)
  4. look at the list and arrange the order based on your aims of wanting reader to instantly get character’s motivations, which means also instantly getting the conflict, obstacles, stakes. and of wanting to stick to the genre/ sub genre. DO NOT FILL IN WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN EACH CHANGE

this will give you a rough outline

option 3
combine options 1 and 2

this will give you a more flushed outline.

2 Likes