So, tell me, what is on your mind at the moment? (Part 2)

The book of Job is genuinely the most confusing book of the Bible.

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I thought that Numbers would have been worse.

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It’s how they phrase things that confuses me :joy:

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Well, it’s probably older than Genesis. Which means it might predate written language, first, then was at the very least written in the oldest form of Hebrew–which was half-lost during the Babylonian captivity (which means that some small parts of Jewish texts are not certifiably translateable in the first place). (You start to get a feel for how it goes off the rails by reading up on some of the disputed texts.) THEN, on top of that, the English version probably was translated from the Septuagent (Greek-translated, roughly around the time of Christ…which means a 2K year old gap in transaltion.) And if NOT that, then Septuagent to Latin to English. Especially the older English translations.

Then to top it off, if youre in the KJB or NASB, youre in the few English texts that have the numbers for the concordance (so you can look up the original Hebrew word: I think Brown’s is one of 3 top Hebrew-English dictionaries)…and those are pretty outdated English texts.

Put it this way: NIV is older language than is comfortable for today’s readers, at times. ESV was the most recent English.

So, you’ e got an uphill battle trying to understand what’s going on before you even open that book.

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But out of all the books, Job reads the closest to a play: which is weird as it predates plays, so I think there’s a fatal misunderstanding that twists people’sability to read it, due to coming in with practices that are too young to explain it properly.

The wife wants her husband to give up.

The older friends are from the cultural beleif that if bad happens to you, then you did something bad to earn thwt punishment.

The young idiot is an idiot, and is a huge part of why people go “It’s a play!” Because he’s got to be a fool/jester.

After rounds of torment from people who are supposed to be his friend, God steps in and flays them up one side and down the other, rounds on Job for his shifting to challenging God. Then God explains nothing about why bad happened and up and leaves, and Job’s life went right back to what it was like before this trial, as if it was an abberation.

Oh, and the only role Satan plays is accusing God of playing favorites, and God allows the torment of a man for the sole purpose of playing a game of chicken with the devil.

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If I made a story for children it might end up like this:

Chapter 11 for Project Succession.

I don’t know how I want to start it.

Been thinking about polish and over-polish. Sanding down all my edges until the comma’s are correct and the (intentional) fragments are unfragmented.

Hardest lesson I’ve had to learn is: Don’t touch the thing. Or rather: Don’t rewrite the thing.

It looks so clean and good after revisioning and then just… I read the original and realize the soul is gone.

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Ah I recognise this struggle; thou art trying to findeth thy Voice. Fear not, young Stylist! Persevere, and it shall come to thee sweet and sonorous.

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Ah, the elusivity of mine voice ebbs and flows like a rolling tide–it comes and goes and thrashes and crashes. But fear not! I have yet a bottle for thee :slight_smile:

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At first I thought you meant the Language of Polish…

It is today I realized “polish” and “Polish” are spelt the exact same way yet mean two different things lol wtf… language is weird

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I don’t entirely… match, personality-wise, with my current potential editor for Project Demon Friend.

But Idk who else would be willing to take on a book that is satire about demons, death, and dark society…and a little bit about religion, especially in our current climate, with as much understanding as her.

Hm.

Do I stick with her? Do I tell her…maybe no, maybe not again? Nicely. Do I?

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Can you talk to her about it?

I think needing to be able to get along with someone who is going to be taking a look at your work and offering suggestions is important. I guess it’s a question of whether or not your editor will respect and understand your vision (and ability to say no to their suggestions).

Would this personality conflict lead to interpersonal conflict, do you think?

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Yeah, well I am reading the “chronologial order” of the Bible and they put Job as second in it, but it very well might be older than Genesis, or have occured around the time of Genesis. :thinking: Yeah, the oldest form of Hebrew, makes sense. The oldest copies of Genesis that they found dated around 1400BC, I think? [Or what was left of it]

Yeah, the KJV was the best translation of the time, then they found the Dead Sea Scrolls later and added them to the ESV and newer versions, I think. Yeah, part of the KJV and RSV is inspired by/comes from the Vulgate (Latin translation). Then, you have Tyndale, Coverdale etc.

Yeah, I have two KJB (one with apocrypha), a NKJV, ESV (which doesn’t have those) and the GNB (which is basically a paraphrase bible, slightly less freedoms than ‘The Message’). I know about Strong’s Concordance, and in my KJB (apoc version) it is a cross reference one. It has footnotes too, in some cases I think. And yeah, KJB has archaic language, and when I use it, I like to run ESV/CSB alongside it (Christian Standard is CSB) for more clarity without going into total paraphrase territory.

Yeah, NLT, CSB, NRSV and similar bibles are meant to be for “today’s reader” in terms of the English used. NIV gets updated and so does ESV, but CSB (imo from what I have seen of it, I have a PDF) has prety clear language without being paraphrased.

Yes. I think Job uses a lot of ‘rich language’ and ‘metaphors’ as well. Comparisons. Cultural stuff that can be hard to translate, yes. It is like basic play, especially when most of it is a debate between Job and his friends (not all of it, I know).

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

I’m almost at that part. I’m at the climax, I guess. Chapter 32.

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I’m probably going to have to look into the CSB because it’s about time for a language update.

Seriously, look at how little is explained.

IF I take this as a play, I’d see the part of God outside humans as being way too simplistic. If I take it as real, then it’s so minimal that it practically makes a joke out of itself.

The biggest benefit to it, for anyone of faith and anyone outside of a belief is that it outright condemns the idea that all bad things are the consequences of your own actions. It’s a direct refutation of Karma. Not that the Bible doesn’t have consequences for people–it does, and they’re harsh enough to upset people. But more that this world has to function with or without you netting consequences, and consequences are messy things where they spill out on the innocent, and we don’t have the power to force change on every single wrong that happens in this world.

In those aspects, it’s a pretty real look at this world. We’re not in control, we can’t be good enough to miraculously make it all better, and whether we believe in God or not, yelling at him doesn’t really get results. It’s a lot of work just to keep your head above the water.

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My ex is hosting a Valentine’s Day rave next weekend. And it’s a whole thing… It’s this “secret rave” thing he hosts every 3 months. All the cool people will be there. And though I hate to admit it, it’s the best club night in this city.

But my clubrat friends aren’t around, and I don’t have a date to go with. I don’t want to be drunk, dancing alone. My ego can’t take it!

I need to show off, show my ex I’m fine without him. I have a week to find a hot date for the rave. Ughh I hate this for me :weary_face:.

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Adopt a female dog, bring her to the rave, and tell your ex “She might be a bitch but she is better than you.”