Struggling Writers’ Daily Den: rant, share, complain, ask, daily progress thing (Part 2)

Listen, I get what he’s saying, and I’m all for bending historical reality to keep things interesting…but what is the story really about if not Chopin? :sob: why does this (presumably white American?) man want to write historical fiction about a Haitian-Polish woman in the 19th century?

I’m confused. I don’t know anything about Chopin, but looking things up now, I guess it could technically make sense if he were to have a whirlwind romantic affair with a woman that reminds him of home, while heartbroken that he had to abandon Konstancja. He was 20 when he moved to Paris, 20-y/o heartbroken man can do lots of stupid nonsense.

But how is the romance supposed to serve the plot? Like, what is the purpose? The intended outcome? Why can it not be an unrequited romance, for instance? How is the Haitian-Polish woman progressing? What’s her conflict?

Maybe you discussed these things and didn’t feel like writing them down, but for me that would be a bigger concern than historical accuracy :sweat_smile: I treat historical fiction like OC fanfiction - real people can have fictional relationships and go on fictional side quests as long as you don’t mess with canon events lol.

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I was thinking about Richard, as one often does when returning to his story, and wondered what his opinion is on various kinds of people. They’re not going to appear in the story, but I wondered, what would he think about prostitutes or people in the drug business who are in there not because they’re bad people, but because they just got in with the wrong crowd? What does he think about good people who end up doing bad things because they feel there’s no other way?

And what would he think about parents who feel they have no choice but to give up their children?

Richard has very gray morals. He believes it’s okay to murder bad people, but he doesn’t murder all the bad people. He only murders the ones that are filthy rich and terrible. He doesn’t murder the poor ones that are terrible. There’s lots of gangs in the story’s era who go around mugging people and beating them up, but he doesn’t see the muggers as his victims.

Hm :thinking:

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I know just as much as you do :sob: well, he’s a white American with Chinese heritage through his grandfather’s side and spent his formative years in Germany, so sometimes he has this air of “not like other white men” :joy:

And I guess he just read about that kind of history and thought it was really interesting? He’s a bit of a history nerd. He’s asked my Vietnamese friend many questions about Ho Chi Minh before because he wanted to write a story about Ho Chi Minh. He’s also written a short story centered around Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s assassination and the guy who murdered him. He’s also in the process of writing a story around Dmitri Shostakovich.

Now I will admit that this idea sounds more plausible than being “horny for two women at the same time.” He might have to shift his timeline a bit, though, like say some months later than his intended setting.

EXACTLY! I forgot to put it down, but I also suggested an unrequited romance—from the female character’s end—if he really wanted to keep it in the story. Chopin was no stranger to admirers; he wrote of one such admirer, in one of his letters: “[…] but there really has to be some kind of physical attrait, and the unmarried one is too much like me. How could you kiss yourself—”

And, like my other suggestions, he shot that down :upside_down_face: he was dead-set on making it a romance between his female character and this beloved historical figure.

I don’t see why it has to be Chopin specifically, or why it has to be a romance. And like, speaking as a mixed Filipino-Indonesian who’s been living abroad, I’ve met many dudes my age who were also from the same country as me, but that didn’t automatically make them romance options or whatever. We mostly just talked about stuff like how much we missed food back home or how Indonesian public restrooms are superior to those in America :joy::sob:

Maybe you can’t compare because we came as international students and there aren’t any huge revolutions happening at home like there were in Poland during Chopin’s time—unless you count protests, but to be fair, they were already happening while I was still living there—but still.

Looking back, this is also the same guy who admitted to searching for romance in stories because he was lonely in real life. He has also said my characters (Edin and Arden) were weird for being single and uninvolved in anything sexual/romantic when they were young, implied to be physically attractive, and of similar ages. You’ve read half of Act I, so I guess I’m asking if it was weird or not weird for Edin and Arden to not be dating each other at that point in time? :melting_face:

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There are less rich people than poor people. If he only wanted to target the poor then he’d have a never ending supply of victims, but people who own nothing never worry about getting robbed.

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This whole post needs a longer answer when I’m not walking my dog but WTAF at this bit in particular??? She’s…his teacher? He’s…amnesiac?? There’s a huuuuuuuuge imbalance of power, which…ahem…would also be between famous, talented Chopin and a Black woman in the predominantly white capital of a colonial empire…. :eyes:

I also have characters of Haitian descent in my historical novel, and I made them kinda upper middle class as descendants of Haitian elites which sought refuge in the ‘motherland’ (France, which had colonised Haiti) during the Haitian Revolution, and were granted French citizenship as a result of decrees passed during the French Revolution.

I am assuming his Haitian character might have similar origins, due to the large numbers of Haitian people who fled from the chaos of the revolution at the beginning of the 19th century. But there’s still a conversation to be had about race and privilege. Sounds like your friend wants a romance so he doesn’t have to actually give that poor woman a conflict :smiling_face_with_tear:

Rereading this, it sounds like maybe he’s one of those guys that’s not lonely enough :sob: and like maybe there’s a reason nobody wants to hang out with him lol.

Idk man, this is just giving me the ick. I’m a white person too, and my rule of thumb when writing POC characters is to not write specifically about a POC-centered issue/conflict, since I don’t have the lived experience to back that up, BUT that doesn’t mean I ignore the hardships that these characters would have likely experienced (especially in a historical context). So there is nuance, even if, say, the experience of being a Haitian woman in Paris isn’t the main conflict of the story.

Which is why I can’t wrap my head around whatever this man is trying to achieve :upside_down_face: like, thematically speaking, what’s the point? Weird stuff, dude.

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Yeah.

Unfortunately it’s the most common form of existential crisis for me :sob:

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May I recommend going to bed before 4am to avoid this? /j

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why can’t i write as fast as I think >:/

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And worse, why do I think the best lines when I’m not writing them down? But as soon as I try I can’t write as fast as I think?

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On a positive note:
-I think writing is officially a habit again and feels as easy as writing may ever feel. Fun and uncomfortable rather than impossible.
-I have been making a better effort towards not over working myself and worrying about things I can’t fix.
-Am being generally kinder to myself.
-Am at least trying to do something? Anything?

On another note:
-It’s discouraging how little visible progress I’ve made in my story the last few months, even if I know the work I’ve been doing was beneficial and I am trying my best.
-My job is still and will always be terrible for my mental health.
-The state of the world is horrifying and making it hard to celebrate small wins and make long term goals and improvements. Oh, and making it hard to find a better job.
-The painful lack of genuine emotional connection in my life is once more wrecking my mental health and making writing anything good way harder. Curse living in an area made up of emotional, mental and morally incompatible humans and being the right kind of neuro spicy to struggle with meeting new people and/or finding and experience connection over the internet. Yay.

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You’re not seeing much progress now but you will see absolutely no progress if you stop moving. Be like a shark, constantly moving.

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Too late :rofl: it’s already been done :sob:

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I’ve done it! I’ve finally done it! The most unhinged meet-cute has been written!

Have I peaked? No way! I can go further!

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Yassss

On a scale of one to cucumber, how many opossums in a trench coat would you scare? :eyes:

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I can’t explain it in numbers so I’ll explain in in secret

When Odile met Siegfried

Odile discovered that one of the cells was occupied. While carrying a bucket of blood, she noticed a black feather on the ground. There were no openings for a corbie to have gotten through, so what could have caused this?

“Are you the owner of this castle? I didn’t expect you to be so graceful.” Based on his tattered black wings and broken halo, he was a fallen angel. His silver-white hair was in a low ponytail, and a black gloved hand was gripping the prison bars.

Odile set her bucket on the ground and walked closer. “I am the owner of this castle, how did you even get in there?”

“My working hypothesis is that your psyche reflects an incredibly guarded and defensive nature, so all trespassers are automatically spawned into prison.”

“And to add insult to injury, you just had to be a shirtless tresspasser.” The low light obscured that fact from a distance, but the oil lantern she held revealed how douche-y her new prisoner truly was.

“I had a feeling you’d look,” he started chuckling once he thought up the right follow up line. “You’re free to touch as well.”

Odile felt her cheeks heat up but her dark complexion did not betray her true feelings. “No way! I’ve seen the Arnold Classic! Who’d be impressed by a stick-figure like you?”

He took the insult in good humor, laughing like an excited fox. “Might be hard to believe but I have a history of being irresistible to women.”

“But I’m not ‘women’! I’m Odile!”

“Siegfried, pleased to meet you.”

Siegfried attempted to pull her into a handshake but Odile swatted his hand away. “I don’t have time to deal with idiots like you.”

“Really? You’re taken?”

“Absolutely not! And if you think I’m easy because nobody likes me, you’re wrong!”

Siegfried feigned shock at her words. “First conversation with a boy and you’re already bringing up sex, how naughty!”

His laughter only made Odile more pissed off. Without thinking, she grabbed the bucket and threw the blood on him.

“How’s that feel, asshole?”

Siegfried went quiet, and licked the spilled blood off of his fingers. “This was from that girl you killed before. Minsoo, I think. A real screamer. Are you plotting to do the same to me?”

His voice had no trace of fear, which made Odile uncomfortable. She took a deep breath before speaking again.

“You’re another lucid dreamer, right?”

“Exactly.”

“That means that while in my Psyche, I can easily overpower you.”

“Correct so far, continue.”

“Are you addicted to pain? Or just danger? Because you’re smiling more than anyone should while trapped behind bars.”

Siegfried shifted, nervous. “Is this your way of flirting?”

“It’s a serious question, because you’re beginning to make me concerned.”

He laughed, but it was to calm his nerves this time. “Sorry about that, I’ve never been good at hiding what I’m thinking.”

“Can I ask you why you were flirting with me, then?”

“Because I’m lonely.” Siegfried’s casual bluntness surprised Odile, again. She paced, trying to think up a proper response to that, before giving up and deciding to walk away from the whole situation.

The risk of being left alone again caused Siegfried bang on the bars of the cell “Odile! Odile! Odile, don’t leave me here! I don’t like being alone!”

Odile tensed at the horrible noise, and some sympathetic part of her was affected by his pleas. Yet she kept walking.

“Odile! Please! I’ll do anything to stay by your side! You can do anything to me, burn me, poison me, gut me like a fish-as long as I’m by your side!”

No way he’d actually want me to cut his stomach open-what sort of fetish is that? Odile thought.

“I know that you’re being bullied, and I’m willing to help you get your revenge!”

Law 13: When asking for help, appeal to people’s self-interest, never to their mercy or gratitude

Most men are so thoroughly subjective that nothing really interests them but themselves. They always think of their own case as soon as ever any remark is made, and their whole attention is engrossed and absorbed by the merest chance reference to anything which affects them personally, be it never so remote.

ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER, 1788-1860

Siegfried was by no means a person who sought power, but one who sought attention and love. This wasn’t an offer Odile could ignore. A person who truly understood her desires and wished to help her, a companion she could share everything with. He’s good-looking, too. No, I shouldn’t think that, he might have an ulterior motive. More ulterior than wanting a girlfriend, I mean.

Odile unlocked the cell door to let Siegfried out, but he ambushed her with a hug. Standing up, Odile supposed that he was maybe a full one-hundred centimeters taller than her, maybe even more.

“Thank you, I was starting to worry that you would abandon me like everyone else.”

She fought against her instinct to hug back and pushed him away. “Don’t think that I did this because I have any sense of compassion, it’s only because you promised to help me get revenge.”

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Your secret’s safe with me :wink:

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How would you rank it?

What area of the world are you in? :eyes: cuz that REALLY sounds like a pickle :downcast_face_with_sweat:

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Share: So, in addition to writing, I’ve been making my way through The Inheritance Cycle by Christopher Paolini. I’m currently on Chapter 10 of the third book, Brisingr, but that’s not what I’m here to share.

I’m here to share a line from the ending of the second book, Eldest :eyes:

It’s the idiom behind the title of the book I’m currently writing: Blood Will Tell! :exploding_head:

I know it’s not the craziest thing, but it was still an eye-widening moment for me. This was the first time I’ve encountered this phrase outside of dictionary websites and Google dictionary results. And spoilers for both The Inheritance Cycle and my book: both stories are centered around a superpowered protagonist who is the brother of a superpowered antagonist.

I wonder if this was another thing my ex thought of when he was reading my story :thonk: maybe he subconsciously picked up on it. He mostly told me that my fight scenes were reminiscent of those in The Inheritance Cycle ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And speaking of fight scenes, I also need to start on—and finish—the copy of The Awakening of Roku that I’ve borrowed from the library. I don’t want to “copy” fight scenes and stuff from other books, but I could always use some inspiration.

Progress: I’ve just finished and published Chapter LXIV of Blood Will Tell! The end of Act II is a little closer than before. I will say it’s a somewhat calm chapter before the impending storm. Oh, and I’ve finally figured out a way to bridge what’ll happen in this chapter with what’ll happen in the next chapter :partying_face:

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Oh y’know the good old USA in the most rural part of New York. There are maybe 3 places within an hour of here that can pay a livable wage to someone without college and outside of healthcare and a few stray engineering positions there’s not many for people with college either.

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