Show Don't Tell is the WORST ADVICE I HATE IT (lil rant lol)

OKAY just wanna preface that I’m not saying this advice is always wrong or always bad, it’s fs more situational–but imma be critiquing the advice itself.

FIRST OFF:

“Show don’t tell” was advice that first arose when script writing because more and more common, and film production was emphasized as a new artistic medium where writing was especially important. Film is (obviously) visual media, so obviously you would want to actually show characters, the world, etc instead of “telling” the audience. Imo, this advice was (probably) given to new script writers because film was a new medium and (before it) stories were mostly told in literature format.

BUT I argue that it doesn’t actually fit with writing novels well at all. Why? Because, girlies, we’re telling everything. Film makers, or other visual artists (comic books, manga, etc.) can actually show what they’re thinking. We can’t. We’re writing words on a page. Literally telling the readers a story. How you tell that story can be different, and it comes down to craft.

BUT literature is entirely different. Literature actually benefits from being able to tell certain things, and sometimes it’s essential to tell certain things, especially when you need a scene to focus on something else (and/or the point of something isn’t what the scene centers on). It can help you jump time, it can improve quick characterization (later supported by “showing” behavior, it can deliver lore/worldbuilding information, etc. etc. Telling is a great TOOL and it should be wielded (like all the other tools) with precision and economy.

Now: What the fuck is “showing” in books?

Basically how you construct sentence and/or present an emotion. That’s literally it. You can make an audience feel an emotion by: sentence structuring (staccato sentences when you want to build tension, longer sentences when you want to slow down for a second) you could point to behaviors (showing your audience) something the character does instead of saying it.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: You can show too much. If an entire book is about “showing” the worldbuilding, or “showing” the characters emotions–you’re going to have DOZENS of chapters that mean absolutely nothing and the plot/pacing wavers. You can also tell too much and unintentionally push the reader out of the character interiority and/or neglect to ground them into it.

“Telling” isn’t lazy (oftentimes telling too much is a sign of someone learning craft anyway, they are literally trying their best with the tools they have) and “showing” isn’t always great (especially if it slows pacing, and/or takes attention away from what the scene should actually be focusing on).

IMO, what I try to do is: Show what’s at the center of the scene (what needs to be conveyed), and tell the details surrounding it. But that’s just me, and I’m sure I can do better.

Just felt like I needed to rant for a bit because the whole “show don’t tell” thing is opaque asf advice and means nothing when you’re talking to a writer whose job is to tell stories.

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Girl I completely get it! Stole the words out of my mouth :sob:

(on a sidenote noooo the emojis don’t look like Apple emojis anymore :melting_face:)

Funnily enough one of my irl writer friends had a degree in screenwriting which he regrets. There were quite a few differences he spoke of when writing novels vs scripts and I agree that they’re two different ballgames. Like, a novel is a novel, not a movie!!!

(also why he writes in third person present often because film school basically drilled them to always write it in third person present but I absolutely despise it, but hey, I’m not a screenwriter, because it’s a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING FROM WRITING ACTUAL PROSE LKJSDLFJSDLKJS)

Yes yes yes! Especially in third person omniscient. Like, the characters don’t know everything, but the narrators do—so how do you convey information that the characters themselves are unaware of to the reader? By telling them! Hell, this works in first person past tense as well, in the context of a character recounting things a la flashbacks idk.

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This, so much. Like, you don’t need to show the reader the protagonist’s exact morning routine and how it’s been the same for the past six weeks—just freaking tell us about the routine, then show the difference!

Telling is an underrated tool that deserves to be taken out of the toolbox and sharpened with the rest of the arsenal.

Girl you are SO valid.

Hell, let’s extend this to more kinds of writing advice too. Like the whole “said is dead” thing that some people were pushing. Or “never start a sentence with conjunctions” :nerd_face::index_pointing_up: actually it’s not improper grammar for coordinating conjuntions (FANBOYS anyone???) to start a sentence.

I could start a whole rant related to your rant but I’mma withhold unless told otherwise :rofl:

But know that there is at least one other soul here who passionately shares your opinions xD

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All valid points, but in my experience most people still tell too much, rather than showing too much, so it can be good advice - and, like all things in writing fiction, balance is key. I have also worried recently about ‘showing’ too much, but even as a writer favouring showing over telling (while still writing omniscient-ish 3rd), my manuscripts rarely go over 70k-80k words.

In fact, the stories I’ve read that go on forever tend to be ‘tell-y’ style stories where there’s a lot of inner monologue/character interiority. As a style choice, yes it can work. But a lot of writers (young ones or not) forget to get out of their characters’ heads and actually show us what’s going on around them. One ‘showing’ scene can at times replace pages upon pages of ‘telling’ interiority.

The thing is, as a reader, I am simply not going to care or remember stuff about characters if you just tell me…eg, she’s kind and pretty, he’s evil, she’s very powerful, ‘she’s effortlessly sexy’ (:roll_eyes:). I need to see at least one scene where this person does something kind or evil or powerful. After that, sure, you can remind me by telling. Or you can use telling to build up, say, a villain’s reputation, but in the end, that villain has to live up to that reputation ‘on screen’ (or it turns out the rumours were all fake or something).

Or, from a trad published series I actually love - set in the 1850s, they kept describing certain suits as ‘smart’ or ‘tailored’, or another guy was wearing kinda gaudy clothes. And I’m like…what does smart or gaudy mean in 1850s Edinburgh? I barely know what it means today lol, I’m gonna need a few hints to build a picture.

All writing advice is opaque when delivered generally… it only really works when tailored to a specific person/book. I saw someone on Inkitt recently complaining that some writing podcast guru said you shouldn’t use contractions (don’t, isn’t, we’ll etc) in fiction writing, and I was like…wut? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

You should always only take the advice that helps :slight_smile:

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You’re supposed to show and tell. That’s why there needs to be a balance.

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GIRL THANK YOU!!

Omfg this advice was circling round and round in my nogin for so long that I just needed to expel the demons inside of me <3 thank you for sharing passionately back haha, was fun to read <3

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Totally agree 100% show don’t tell is the WORST you can tell anyone! I have to actually teach my students why this advice they’ve been given by their other teachers is wrong it’s so annoying :weary_face: Sometimes you need to show, sometimes you need to tell. It’s about :sparkles: balance :sparkles: Seriously, if you do just showing (especially in writing), the piece is annoying. If you do just telling (especially in film), the piece is flat. Totally agree you can do too much showing. It’s so obvious. It can work in some situations, but not all. Same deal for telling tbh

It is absolutely the WORST CREATIVE WRITING ADVICE out there. We need both

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I’m on your side…

Showing without telling too much is something I struggle to do… Instead, I see it play out in my mind like Film or TV show and I write what I conceive visually within my mind…

I don’t know if this works, but it feels like the right way to do shit for me…

SD

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Telling is really good for scenes you don’t need to write out. Seriously, long trip, an uneventful patch of 3 days riding? For the love of all that is holy don’t make 3 chapters out of it when it can be 1 paragraph.

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:thinking: I’ve always interpreted the, “Show, don’t tell,” advice as, “Don’t tell your reader the story, let your characters/what’s happening tell the story.” As in, avoid info dumping, especially in a lore heavy world. Or to be mindful of what you’re showing. Do I need to know every detail about this room the character is in down to the curtains and the floors? Probably not. Unless, that room serves a significant purpose. Maybe this is a murder mystery and something in that room changes later that helps clue in the killer. Maybe this room is a personification of the character that lives in the house.

When I first got into writing fiction coming from prose and poetry, I would do this a lot. Describe everything down to the most minute detail. Kind of like what @alcoholandcaffeine was saying about telling your reader about what the character looks like. The character has more impact on me if their behaviors, how they dress, how they talk, reflect who they are. If a room is gross, how do I, as a reader, know it’s gross? What do I see? Smell?

The genre matters too. If you’re writing a romance/erotica, then you probably will describe the love interest much more whereas in, I don’t know, sci-fi? Do I care about the full description of what this character looks like? Probably not. Unless he’s like part cyborg or something and that’s important. :laughing:

Especially for early drafts, I think we naturally “tell” more because we’re still fleshing out the story and once it’s solid, then we can go back and drop breadcrumbs/foreshadowing throughout, without telling readers exactly what’s about to happen. To trust that our readers will put the puzzle together because that’s part of the fun?

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Reminds me of the Marvel method lol.

Personally I run into issues where I summarize actions rather than describing them.

This is true that (especially beginners, or first-drafts) can have more telling rather than showing because it’s how some people naturally think and/or develop craft.

BUT I will say that, in writing groups, I run into a lot of problems with an author over-showing. Using five different metaphors to “show” an emotion, rather than sticking to one. Going on and on and on about internal conflict when one paragraph would suffice. You could say this is a “purple prose” problem, which is true, but I also think it ties neatly into overshowing as they’re a) Overshowing, and b) Being too lyrical and abstract. It sounds pretty, but lacks substance. Imagery is there, but it’s too much imagery and you never get to the point.

Also wholly agree, early 1800s literature especially tells a lot (so does Lord of the Rings).

Why I do think all writing advice is delivered opaquely, I find this one especially annoying mainly because it’s so nonsensical to writers in particular. You’re looking at words on a page, y’know? It’s not an advice talking about building interiority/behavior/imagery/sentence structure, it’s just “show don’t tell” and the advice rarely gets expanded on (even pros often disagree on what it means).

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See, while I do think “let your characters tell the story” is excellent advice (esp. if they’re the narrators) as it leads to having a stronger voice, I do think that sometimes this kind of gets confused–y’know? Like, “show don’t tell” could be interpreted that way (and I agree it should be) but some people see it as: “tell feeling, show emotion” or “tell information, show detail”, but it always gets confused.

I think while it’s great advice especially to novice writers, and people starting out (as they’re learning craft), at a certain point I think once you’ve reached a more advanced level in writing “show don’t tell” like all advice gets lost and could actually worsen impact. But, tbh, that could be said about all advice. Once you know the rules, you learn how to break the rules. Sometimes you do need to tell certain things so the reader can understand, other times it’s better to show it. Sometimes it’s better to show certain things, and not tell it. Like, Cormac McCarthy I think does a great job at using a lot of telling in his works, because he knows when he’s using it, and it’s clear he’s writing from a place of authority–which imo is almost more important.

Personally for me, I’ve largely ditched this advice (and have grown past it), but in other writers groups and/or peer reviews, I see this get used a lot towards especially newer authors and it always drives me crazy, lol.

But, tbh, that could be me projecting. When I was first developing craft, I think I “overshowed” A LOT and it weakened my prose. Now that I’ve grown comfortable with craft, I understand why my work read weaker and where “telling” would’ve really benefited past sentences.

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Same here sometimes! I’m pretty good at writing action overlaying with dialogue (I like writing fidgety characters, lol), but I still need a lot of improvement in writing action scenes, as I find myself summarizing and having to go back to add detail/enhance.

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Yep, this is it right here. It’s kind of like cooking. Learn the basics. Then you can tweak things to your liking. :grin:

I think the “telling” itself could be part of the charm too. Like when you have this sassy sarcastic narrator telling the story. “Josh thought this was it! He’d finally won! Now, his life would be better than ever! Or so he thought…” Cue the “Dun dun dun” sound effect. :laughing:

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In my book, that’s all “telling” :face_with_hand_over_mouth: So I guess it really depends what one’s definition of “showing” is. I haven’t had any formal fiction writing training, but from my experience as a reader and a writer, showing is about painting an image in order to allow the reader to draw their own conclusions.

Eg:

Sarah felt sad. → telling

A tear rolled down Sarah’s cheek. → showing

Sarah felt so sad, so sad and angry and humiliated, that she cried for hours on end, until she had no tears left to shed. → telling

Tears poured from Sarah’s eyes. Angry, humiliated tears, and screeching sobs that shook the strength out of her body. → showing

Example 2 is kinda borderline tbf, and I prefer the telling version, but generally I mean that “showing” should be used to eliminate overuse of filter verbs like felt, saw, heard etc, not to create purple prose.

It is at any rate difficult to judge in theory without concrete examples. But lyrical and abstract, to me, sounds like telling. It doesn’t paint images or actions, it paints feelings, and showing is about showing the action, as opposed to telling the feeling. If that makes sense. Show me what the character is doing, and then I (the reader) will infer the feeling.

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Ah! This is where we may differ slightly (though I think we have the same idea for it). It seems like we might be working with two different frameworks for showing vs. telling (which I do think both are completely valid, regardless, but I think I’m seeing the disconnect in how we’re interpreting differently).

I view showing as embodying an experience (though you do give good examples) and making the reader feel something through action, language, and literary device. Telling is when a feeling (or thing) is stated outright.

So, when you use metaphor, you don’t explicitly have to state the emotion. You’re embodying it in a very specific way.

For example:

Telling: Sarah is sad.

Showing (with pathetical fallacy): The sky was gray and the wind pulled in and out and her breaths came heavy with the taste of rain.

So, in this instance, it’s clear that Sarah/environment are combined, creating a sad feeling. (With the taste of rain) combines Sarah with the storm, combining her breaths with the wind and giving it personification (saying the wind pulled “in and out” as in “in and out” like breath) makes it come to life, embodying something different.

Telling: Sarah was annoyed.

Showing (with simile): Sarah sat up straight and huffed, thin brows pinched like two pencil twhicks carelessly slashed across paper.

So, in this instance, you show through action (sit up straight, huff) and simile to create both comedic effect (affect? can never get that right lmao) but also imagery.

But bad showing would be an over piling of devices onto one moment.

Telling: Sarah felt sad.

Overshowing: Heaviness sat on her chest like a stone. The stone was gray and tasted like dirt, and bundled up into her throat like dam. Her breaths came short like the wind outside.

(Too many devices piled on trying to convey an emotion–better to use simple economy unless it suits the rhythm.)

I guess, at the end of the day, more advanced author advice would be: Do what serves rhythm.

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That’s the perfect metaphor!

Agree, telling can have its charm (and serve rhythm) really well, especially if you’re writing anything with comedy (which is all about the way a joke is told) XD.

Unless you’re using physical comedy? That could be interesting.

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