Which themes do you hate coming across when reading fiction?

NOTE: NOT TROPES OR CLICHES, ONLY THEMES AND EVEN MORALS IN A STORY!!!

Are there themes in fiction that you get tired of or hate seeing? These are the themes you roll your eyes at when you understand it.

Thoughts and feelings?

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To save the world we need to destroy magic-in a setting where magic isn’t explicitly harmful.

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Ignorance is so bliss.

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All of them. Because I am an english teacher. I want to read the story not try to show that depression is a theme because a character has blue curtains dammit :joy:

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Do you typically enjoy books that aren’t like that?
Though I get what you mean. :sweat_smile:

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That “true love” cures depression and makes all the bad things in life go away and it’s all happily ever after once you find someone that can “fix you”. That’s not how it works. Real love is hard work and it comes with it’s own set of problems. It does not fix the problems you had before, all it does is give you a support system to help you fix them yourself. That’s not to say that love is bad, it just isn’t a magic pill that takes away all the bad things in life.

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It’s weird when you tell someone this, they think you are a heartless and unloving person.

Why?

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Forced, shoehorned in, not thought about political themes havy handedly shoved into the story, with no context or anything.

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That’s a theme of a story?
I did say don’t use tropes or cliches.

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Yeah, so many stories just have politics randomly forced into them these days. I’m not saying ‘don’t do it’ but I’m saying ‘take time to do it properly and make us see how important it is to the story’.

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So. Politics in any novel bother you?

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I don’t hate any

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Oh wait actually I hate hate hate whatever Ayn Rand was trying to say in her sorry excuses for philosophical novels

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When it’s not placed in it properly.

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Explain?

I hear people badmouth this woman a lot on YouTube.

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That makes sense.

Got anything else to add?

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All tropes are cliche’s, and all cliche’s are tropes… To a degree that is…

SD

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I am talking about themes not tropes/cliches.

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She should be badmouthed a lot more tbh.

Basically the theme of her books is ‘Objectivism’ — an idea she claims to be a ‘philosophy’. At the core of which is that uninhibited self-interest is good and altruism is destructive. She claimed this was true human nature, and how one is supposed to live their life. In simple terms, selfishness is good; helping others is bad.

Obviously, this is absolute nonsense. Anyone with even a little knowledge in philosophy, social sciences, biology or even critical thinking could tell you that. We wouldn’t survive without cooperation and altruism. ‘Objectivism’ is a joke that doesn’t hold up both philosophically and practically.

Yet somehow people keep reading her books. And she’s become something of a ‘free-thinking’ pariah. People, especially finance bros, misguided dudes, incels etc etc., use Objectivism to rationalise being utter a-holes in their careers and personal lives. One could use this flimsy excuse to be a: misogynist, racist, classist, xenophobe, rape apologists etc etc — it’s just really heinous stuff. Oh yeah and the whole right-wing adoption of her…

There hasn’t been enough dissection of her idea in order to expose how stupid it is. But then again, it’s such a joke that it doesn’t warrant any serious inquiry.

It irks me when I see people calling for borderline anti-intellectualism: ‘Stop preaching! Not everything is that deep! Let us enjoy the book!’. If we don’t preach, we get idiots like Ayn Rand fancying themselves to be philosophers!

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